Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Dem's Anti-Semitic...Again

If the nutroots are categorically non-Anti-Semitic, why do these things always seem to pop up in relation to them?

A string of anti-Semitic rants about Sen. Joe Lieberman have popped up on the liberal MoveOn.org's open forum Web site, drawing criticism from the Anti-Defamation League.

"We recognize that Action Forum is an open forum intended to foster the free flow of ideas," ADL head Abraham Foxman said in a letter dated Aug. 31 to MoveOn, which supported Lamont in the Democratic primary against Lieberman.

"Nevertheless, since such profoundly offensive content is appearing on a board clearly linked to MoveOn.org, we believe you should assume some responsibility to respond to this hateful content," Foxman wrote in the letter, which was forwarded by Lieberman's campaign.

Foxman cited examples from the site's Action Forum, including "media owning Jewish pigs," "Zionazis," a reference to the senator as "Jew Lieberman" and the question, "Why are the Jews so Jew-y?"


Matt said...

There you go again, spewing your anti-democratic hate speech. I thought you were a 'lover of logic'. Saying that all democrats are anti-semitic because a couple of anti-semitic comments show up on MoveOn, the BIGGEST Democratic website on the web is the most illogical thing I think you have ever said. Do you know how easy it is to get an account on that website? It takes literally one minute. Do you have any idea how easy it would be to sabotage MoveOn in their comment thread? Do you have any idea what kind of tactics your Republican leaders stoop to, to undermine Democratic causes? It's a classic Rovian tactic. I guarantee you that there are plenty of repubs who go on to moveon and say absolutely ridiculous things in their forums. You're over-generalizing the sentiment of MILLIONS of americans over a few anti-semitic comments that could or could not be intended to be "funny" (although they are not), could have been posted by a 14 year old playing a "prank", could have been posted by republicans trying to sabotage moveon, could have been posted by some crazy old man who hates Jews. Don't say, "oh, look at the anti-semitism in the democratic party", that's completely illogical and you know it. Stick to logic, you're much better at it.

k2aggie07 said...

I didn't say all Democrats were anti-Semitic.

I merely stated a question -- if the democratic party is that of acceptance and whatnot, why are these sort of allegations always associated with them? Not to mention other racist things such as calling black Republicans "unce toms", and blackfacing the portrait of Lieberman.

I'll answer my own question. Its because the left is consistantly more accepting of hate-tactics. Whether its Bush hatred, hatred of the rich, of capitalism, of self (victimhood) or Jews, hatred is ugly. Conservatives don't practice hatred as the party line, so these things don't come up as much.

All your excuses aside, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I'll call it a duck. If this was an isolated incident, fine...but these things happen all the time.

Matt said...

Racism and hatred is particularly associated with the democratic party.... funny because I KNOW that the same is associated with the republican party even more so. You think that this is associated with my preferred party because all you ever read is republican op-eds and extremely conservative blogs like your own.

Give me ONE example of hatred being the party-line of the dems. Comments in a comment thread that averages thousands of comments in each one is pretty pathetic "evidence". You know just as well as any educated person that these allegations aren't specifically associated with democrats. Historically over the last 40 years, it's been the Republicans that have shown themselves to be inherently racist.

Look at Trent Lott, look at the policies of the Reagan Administration, look at Pat Buchanon and Strom Thurmond. Look at George All and Conrad Burns. These are specific examples of racism in the Republican leadership. I'm not saying Democrats are 100% innocent, but don't make claims and point fingers at the other side, claiming innocence when it's so blatantly obvious that your rosey picture of the Republican Party is flawed.

Matt said...


Anonymous said...

He never said anything about Republicans. He was talking about Democrats.

Its true; the conservative model for politics isn't concerned with who they're debating, but what they're debating. In the past decade or so the liberals in this country have degraded their politics to the level of ad hominem attacks and irrational hatred of all things associated with Bush.

Matt said...

According to Raw Story:

"You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman?" a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.

When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: "I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell."

---- not anti-semitic enough? I'm sure if this appeared as a comment: All Jews are going to hell... you'd over-generalize it to mean that a whole group of people was anti-semitic. But since this is the guy you voted for, I'm sure you won't. In fact, you'll defend this statement vigorously.

Anonymous said...

There's a big difference between "media owning Jewish pigs," "Zionazis," "Jew Lieberman" and a tasteless joke.

Its not excusable, but that doesn't make them equivalent.

Matt said...

Anonymous... that's exactly what these commentors on MoveOn are, anonymous. They know that there won't be any accountability, they know they won't have to bear the responsibility for saying these hateful things. There's a huge difference between an anonymous commentor among thousands saying something anti-semitic, and the Governor of Texas (now President of the United States of America)saying something anti-semitic. We could argue about whether or not that statement is anti-semitic or not. I think it is, you think it isn't.

k2aggie07 said...

There's only a difference between an anonymous person and Bush in your eyes. In reality, they're both indpendent moral agents, and both equally responsible for what they say. I'll take either to task for saying stupid stuff.

However, Bush's remark wasn't really anti-semitic so much as it was rude. There's a difference between calling someone a 'pig' or a 'nazi' for their race and what he said (an off-color joke).

At any rate, you completely missed the point of the post. That is, not that one party is horrible and the other is perfect. That's simply not the case.

What I was trying to point out is that this is yet another occurance of anti-Semitism on the left wing blogs. The nutroots movement has a precedent for being anti-Semitic. Its there, they've done it repeatedly. Ok.

Conclusion to draw from that? Hatred is something that takes practice. These folks spent a lot of years and time hating Bush, and venemously so. Now they lash out with hatred at everything. Its their knee-jerk response to any negative stimuli.